Personally, I have done DNA panels on several dogs. What a shame for your friend and the child. This is an AKC champion American Staffordshire Terrier (who is also dual registered as a UKC pit bull). A small crowd of people gathered by the wire fence to watch and adore the young dogs. It mirrors much of what Trisha says, compares some companies, and discusses how valuable it may or may not be to know the parentage of your mixed-breed dog: http://news.vin.com/VINNews.aspx?articleId=23206. I found the genetic testing of my dogs (also Wisdom Panel) fascinating, though the results were rather puzzling: The tri-colored Beahound’s DNA (she looks like a Coonhound with somewhat shorter ears. BSL is not the answer; I recall a story out of France about a decade ago where gangs, unable to get any of the macho dog breeds, turned to attack monkeys. Some breeders are so emotionally attached to their type of dogs; they simply cannot/will not see the wood for the trees regarding the obvious health benefits of outcrossing and genetic diversity…. They show, they put working titles on their dogs. ), but I would have been much more cautious in how I handled it if I had know that she was a JRT, and worked more consciously on it. If anyone has a link to the article I am thinking about, I would love to have it, since I think I didn’t get to finish the article, since I was at the vet at the time. Dogs are a product of their genes and environment. Let’s not confuse that with modern conditions in countries like America. But we are more likely to get a set of behaviors if it is bred for. TextArea The main idea of using these classes is that to create the object of their type. Nic1, I agree with so much of what you have said. Whoops! The Text Boxes will be used for receiving user input and also for … Poor dear. She enjoys reading every comment, and adds her own responses when she can. I could give all sorts of sciencey reasons why the “only adopt” mantra is flawed (and there ARE plenty of people who feel you should only adopt). I would not be so bold as to finish a Patricia McConnell sentence, but I couldn’t resist the temptation. All I’m saying is that we shouldn’t get so attached to the stereotype that we borrow trouble where it doesn’t exist, or fail to see it where it does. On the other hand, if the spam detection was a false alarm, you wouldn’t want to make them angry by calling them a spammer. Better to say (in the case of Maddie) “That dog stares and some dogs react to it.” Or in the case of many bouncy young dogs like labs and boxers “This dog does not respect personal space and that can make other dogs feel threatened.” And so on. I would never maintain that breed has no impact on behavior, nor would I underestimate the degree to which physical traits, more predictable in a single breed, make one dog better suited to a task or home than another. Related Articles. I would keep my mouth shut unless they asked my opinion, but those types of dogs are not ones I prefer to spend time with (having been in this situation several times, I know how I would react from experience, not a hypothetical). It was large for its breed. I think that’s a lot of what happens when you start talking about breed traits, and adoption, and mixes vs purebreds, etc. My problem with all of that is that some types of dogs find themselves abandoned, ‘got rid of’ because they don’t fit the bill or fail to live up to the phenotypical behaviour profile that some people seem to think exists for breeds. That’s all I’m trying to say.). We put him in the kiddie pool a lot. Maddie has a strong prey drive and Jack does not, so she is more inclined to put critters to ground. Probability. I guess my point is that perhaps less focus on breeds and types and more on health and behaviour is required. And I think the fact that most people here thought he was part terrier (either JRT or fox terrier) and he is apparently neither at all is very interesting and a reminder that the breeds we know were developed by mixing other dogs and so the traits that define a breed can show up if you recreate the right mix of traits from other sources. In our case, dog parks are definitely essential. Here’s the text at the top of the page titled “What does the Mixed Breed Analysis mean for my dog?” It began by saying “We have identified for you the next 5 best breed matches which appeared in the analysis of your dog’s DNA. “Needed” a prong collar to control it. Nic1, I would guess either terrier/hound or perhaps terrier/pointer, but who knows? The study differentiates between BREED differences (which it acknowledges exist) and broad lumping by breed GROUP (where there is more variation). Since, I consider this function to be as necessary to my dog’s health as food and water, dog parks are most definitely necessary for my dog – and many others. What a pleasure to see the cuteness of Leo’s mom! Mixed breeds will be a bit more of a grab-bag of behaviors than purebreds, but for people who like the idea of rescuing but still want to avoid or find certain behavioral tendencies, accurate DNA testing might be a nice compromise, especially if you are adopting a very young dog or puppy who may not be exhibiting adult behavior yet. She remained on a slack leash. (We will have to agree to disagree on the definition of that.) The other big reason I see is that people’s fear of disease risk makes for a very tough call on how much to get your puppy out before its last round of shots, especially in areas where Parvo is epidemic. How can this be? As far as socializing, there are different levels of socializing. But there are certainly a great many dogs, at least in America, who do absolutely need something like a dog park. I’m almost certain that the family never called the behaviorist. She doesn’t have the familiar white face stripe, but has wonderful laser eye contact – even though she is not a very confident dog at the moment. But what if you get back a report that says “No Result”? Whatever the result, I’ll be taking it with a large pinch of salt. Encompassed in this movement is a push towards a way of thinking that states nature has a very small role in a dog’s personality and nurture is almost everything. DNA testing was done (pretty sure it was inside the cheek) and it came back German Shepherd, Lab and dachshund as the major breeds. http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/homepage/group/AnimPersInst/Animal%20Personality%20PDFs/S/Sa-Sc/Svartburg%202006.pdf. This is because the test kit was developed while testing on mostly purebred dogs. Four days ago, my friend called me. Submit A Coupon for Wisdom Panel … The behavior you observed a month before the attack would not have indicated what was coming, because the dog had not yet matured to the point to exhibit the behavior. Large, mixed breed? It also means that 10% of the time, it is flat wrong. Each class have their own constructors for initialization of the objects. If I may be so bold, this discussion seems to have come down to two basic positions; 1) people need to be familiar with the breed of their dog because hereditary traits within breeds are critically important in predicting behavior and 2) Breed is certainly a factor but the individual dog is the more relevant criteria in selecting a pet dog. Both had sturdy neckwear and leashes. But it’s quite common, and if you want BC eye, get a border collie (or a Kelpie). She encourages your participation, believing that your voice adds greatly to its value. I genuinely have no idea what he’s mixed with as I adopted him from a shelter as a pup. First and foremost-a call to a very reputable dog training facility to work with a behaviorist and secondly, because they were using a prong collar to “control”the dog, a switch to an easy walk harness. I was about to put the same answer like yours but I saw you did already so I had to change my answer . My heart sank when she told me that the dog needed to be given up because it had bitten the four year old child. But their bags are hard as rocks, poor things, and they are giving almost no milk at all. This is behavior we probably would not have noticed til he was loose and a jogger went by, or until the phone rang and someone sprinted for it. Kat, I will be honest: I tend not to be a fan of any of the big protection dogs and/or fighting dogs. Again, I don’t know but gauging how reactive he was when I saw him, I would have to guess not. My first dog came from Keeshond Rescue, a wonderfully supportive group. As for bully breeds and canine “racism” I don’t think that anyone here has claimed that expecting people to know their dog and whether or not that dog is going to behave appropriately at a dog park is racism nor have I seen a claim that saying certain breeds do not in general do well at dog parks is ‘racist.’ What I’ve seen is the argument that using the breed or the tendency within that breed to demonize all dogs of that type in such a way that it leads to breed specific legislation and people automatically assuming that the dog will be a danger to them and to society is a form of racism. I don’t know about you, but I don’t run much. The database is not hosted or shared and my computer has decent specs with an SSD HD. Mary K, I too love your comment, and Rose C, you summed up my feelings as well as anyone could. Dogs should not be treated as throw away items when they don’t live up to your expectations or fail to fit the behavioural type. But, as we are responsible for them, we should use science to ensure we selectively breed for ethically sound reasons – not simply because we think they look cute, behave aggressively or feel we have ownership over a type of breed because we happen to breed them ourselves. ©2020 Embark Veterinary, Inc. Interesting comments on the DNA testing. I will assume you wrote your most recent longer post before you had a nutritious lunch. I’m not suggesting that beagles are prone to leash aggression. My first guide dog, Marlin, was a lab who looked like a plush toy. My impression is that there are far more purebred dogs bred for show than for work. I invite you to read this; I would propose it’s a neutral source and nothing I have said is not mentioned in this article. They are both easy keepers who maintain weight on an unreasonably small amount of food. Bradshaw et al. Was he ever walked to determine his leash manners and manageability? Please enter search termsSearch terms must be less than 50 characters long Hybrid Events. On the other hand, I never would have unclipped the leash in an unfenced area, not even once. RoseC: Thanks for your follow up. Aside from possible proneness to certain diseases, what are the impacts of learning the results however probable those results might be? Label . I imagine the breed rescue is heartbroken as well because they probably feel like they failed not only the family but the dog as well. I guess from their viewpoint and business model, breed is all that matters. One thing I would NOT have been doing is running and playing chasing games. As there are other ways of solving this, this approach shows you how to correctly unmount your components when they are not required anymore. I think it’s cute that our county shelter describes many dogs as “American Shelter Dog” although I guess that wouldn’t work as well if your dog didn’t come from a shelter! GIven that id does not even exist until after the resampling is done (because it is a new variable created by the -idcluster()- option, and given that it is a variable, not a scalar, I'm not sure what Stata makes of it. I pretty much guarantee you that if I was not already aware of the Corgi tendency to nip at things that run, I would not have noticed it until he was much older. I wanted to know their backgrounds as far as hips and eyes and a lack of line breeding. . Intriguing! Yes, there are lots of interesting and often controversial issues in the world of dogs, but what is most important is that we love and respect them, treat people with the same respect we think we should give our dogs, and continue to advocate for responsible and benevolent interactions between these two species that have created one of the world’s most amazing relationships. This sweet girl looks like a border collie-lab mix. If I had been looking for a dog to be good with horses, and gone by breed stereotype alone, Otis SHOULD be a good choice. For thousands of *previous* years, humans and dogs have lived in a world where there were lots of places that dogs could run free. I’d be thrilled if my dog was unclassifiable by breed – genetic diversity is the key to evolutionary success and health. That we could totally see. He engaged and smiled and made eye contact. Loves people, not so keen on other dogs. Thanks for going in depth about the Lab work. How many boxers get turned into rescue because they are bouncy and use those front paws, especially as adolescents? They both get distressed if they can’t account for where everyone is. Most of the dogs at animal shelters, I’m told, are Staffies or Staffie mixes. For quite a few breeds, the historical job no longer exists. He had crowds of people (including us) cooing over him and loving him. I can, and do, take them for long walks but they need to meet other dogs to keep them socialized (I have two shy dogs). Home; Products; Solutions; Case Studies; Learning; Support & Services; Community. She walked the dog to my house and upon meeting him there were two things that struck me-the physically impressive size of this dog(immediately I visualized this huge dog navigating safely around two very young children). Connect in-person to drive IRL conversations, content experiences, and interactions. Not telling the submitter the fact that you’ve detected spam attempts in their submission is a kind of worldly wisdom. I don’t understand why it is okay to use breed stereotypes when you are defending your position on something such as dogs bred for fighting are not to be trusted and will turn on a dime when they reach maturity. Engage your community online with webinars, livestreams, meetings, and more. For others, there is a total split between show and working lines. This gives me a lot more information to use when making the decision. Happily, after almost an hour and a half speaking to the two of them, I knew a heck of a lot more than I did before we spoke. Can you picture this scenario? Her dog of choice (at that time in the country males were almost never neutered) was the Irish Setter down the road–about two miles away. If they felt all their dogs were interchangeable, those steps would not be necessary. Since the intolerance is genetic, it’s probably a wise move. In addition to working from the biggest link to the smallest link, each section of the tutorial include a “Short Term Fix” and “Long Term … It is a shame that there is such a gap. Met a woman once who found a ‘dumped’, tiny, 5wo puppy in a school window well, & named him “Darwin”, having NO idea what evolve into. I don’t mean walk, I mean run. Someone earlier mentioned the collie intolerance for ivermectin. Nic1, And I think we set a dangerous precedent when we allow ourselves to believe otherwise. EmilyS, I think perhaps that you are thinking of the historic function of a breed, while Trisha was talking about broad genetic groups. The woman was saying “I don’t know why, she usually likes everyone. (I got a Black Friday discount.) Thirdly – lack of appropriate exercise and training and predatory outlets. Nor would I recommend selecting a pure bred dog without knowing something about their likely traits. It’s fun to joke that Otis is a big game hunting ‘throwback’ to the boarhounds in his ancestry, but it didn’t give me any insight into how to manage his prey drive or any reason to anticipate that behavior before I actually observed it. The top 5 breeds comprising that ‘mixed breed’ were German Spitz 21.86% , Shuh Tzu 8.5%, Belgian Tervuren 6.35%, Parson Russell Terrier 4.88% and Mastiff 4.49%. All dog breeds we have today came from crossing two, three, four, five, or however many dog breeds the experimenting breeder (of the past) wanted to select a specific trait from. Both dogs were well-trained. Raw Video Shows Portion Of Border Wall Built With American Donations . This is when it is wise to actually pay attention to what the good people at Mars are telling you. On the hot packing for the udders, have you tried using cabbage compresses? Or maybe she was and I missed it. What is a “purebred” dog, anyway? In addition, it does not take long for badly bred purebreds to look remarkably different than their counterparts. You make a good point too. Nancy Pelosi … Reports like this have generated a veritable stew of questions, confusions and in some cases, if I may be so blunt, snorts of derision. In Beth w/ Corgis description of two sets of dog people above I’d say that the breed of the dogs was irrelevant, one set of people clearly knew their dogs and had clear expectations about the appropriate behavior of their dogs and the other set didn’t. And we have 3 ewes to lamb yet… if one has a single I might be able to graft a one of Rosebud’s triplets on to her. Mary K, breed descriptions will say that breeds are “good with kids” or “good with older children” etc, but that does not mean that people think that every individual dog will always be good in every situation. I know they mean well. And re potential health problems, breed knowledge can be invaluable. *drum roll*. he would become very stiff, tense and watchful when she was around and I watched the two of them with as much hawk like vision as I could. I read several comments by angry or disappointed people who got back a report that said there was no particular breed that could be assigned to their dog. He failed to further explain how people are supposed to do this of course. She is also sweet, fiesty, active, very smart, will make a great family member, and likes to watch TV (and growl at it) with her one remaining eye. Unruly. If I’m right then the most important breed characteristic being selected for is the extent to which the dog matches the breed standard not for the ability of the dog to do the work for which its distant ancestors were bred. AVOID USING EDTA-CONTAINING BUFFERS AS EDTA CHELATES Mg 2+ Low primer, target, … And I speak as someone who has a dog from a breed where the divide between the “show” people and the “work” people is huge. I don’t think that all or even most people who argue that there is too strong an emphasis on breed are coming from this point of view. Neither are they saying that Leo is, for example, exactly 21.86% German Spitz, but rather, “…the relative strength of each result in our analysis with the most likely at the top of the list.” Exactly, then, what the percentages mean were unclear to me, until I spoke to several people at Mars itself. We cannot process any samples submitted without the full consent and ID of all participants. In this article, we will be digging in to how Wisdom Panel … ), it’s pretty much all about lambing. He lived in a foster home with another dog but again he was off leash, in a home environment and I have no idea if the relationship between the two dogs was truly harmonious. Because you have experience of the breed, you can’t necessarily project that individual dog’s behaviour and character on to the next labrador you own. The Wisdom Panel Canine Breed Detection test was created by Wisdom Health, a company belonging to Mars Veterinary, itself part of the Mars Incorporated group. It does feel somewhat primal and almost impossible to explain. Breed behavior may not be useful to you. And so on. The best way to find the weakest link is to start from the biggest of the links in the chain and work from there. Since he had a short attention span (being a tiny puppy) he would get bored quickly as soon as I stood still. I’m not especially enamored of these guess-the-mutt DNA tests and consider them nothing more than a parlor game, a phrase I note another commenter used. I actively socialized Jack with other dogs much more than I would have socialized, say, a beagle. Beth with the Corgis, well put. Dogs have lived for thousands of years without dog parks. Well, this breeder’s website link below has it in black and White that ‘working cockers love children’. Post Patron In response to kentyler. As a result, it is the only breed that has no known genetic disease. I KNOW people would treat her differently, react to her differently. Last, I wouldn’t mind having a mongrel dog (which was all that I grew up with as a child in my home country). Beautiful event marketing in a fraction of the time. More on this later but I’m in a bit of a rush because I’m on a lunch break at work. Which breeds are detected by the Wisdom Panel … Required fields are marked *. One guy has a lovely field-bred English Pointer. Wisdom Panel | World's Leading Dog DNA Test by Wisdom Health Due to the discounted price I thought it would be fun to try more than anything. If you do enough reading and a little more research, the story becomes how dangerous these bully dogs are to everything we stand for as Americans. Media reporting can lead to anti-breed bias. Wisdom Panel is a DNA test you can buy for your dog. One could argue it is possible that a re-analysis would come up with a different result; even computers make mistakes, and sometimes, in Dr. Hughes’ words, “go down a tangent” and need to be redirected. Oh, well. When I say that literally every person who so much as looked at us was met with “Would you mind petting the puppy, we are socializing him” and every dog we met led to me asking it’s owner how the dog was with other dogs, and meeting all but the meanest, I am not exaggerating. If you want a dog for a specific job you can increase your chances of getting that by looking at specific breeds and breeding but there are so many factors involved that to say breeding/nature is deterministic is to vastly oversimplify. 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